. >> shannon brown i laughed about the money thing. $1.1 billion. what did the health care industry get for that $1.1 billion? >> specifically the insurance industry got a bill that didn't have a public option and got a bill that was essentially giving them 30 million more customers. so i think the real winners of the health care bill were the insurance industry. that got many, many more customers. and people don't really think about it that way but that's sort of what happened. >> how much money a year do we spend on pharmaceuticals? >> $300 billion. >> and that $1.1 billion wasn't all pharmaceuticals. >> no. it was a number of different health care lobbyists. >> what did the hospitals get out of the bill? >> it's unclear what the -- what exactly the hospitals won from the bill. i mean, i think one of the things that's beneficial coming out of the bill for sure is that there are many demonstration projects in which they're trying to examine different forms of payment where hospitals instead of getting paid for this fee or service, instead of gettin